This is in response to Elizabeth Kelsea’s letter: Do you hear yourself? I agree only the ones responsible for these horrific crimes should be held accountable, but if you had your facts right, less than 5 percent being scooped up by thugs (ICE) have criminal backgrounds.
A creative writer will get his message across in two good paragraphs. While a blow-by- blow writer will go on and on almost writing a book to get their message across.! Most stop reading half way.!
Millie, when one is addressing a situation, or a laundry list of lies like GAllen and MEPD like to provide, it's not creative writing. It's not writing for entertainment, and not for people with the attention of a gerbil. It's point-by-point refutation of the lies they are trying to use to support Trump's gaslighting attempts.
Of course, you could have intended this comment for them, but knowing your past history you wouldn't even notice their lengthy screeds, only the responses, just as you don't see your dear leader's actions, only his projections.
There actually is a silver bullet that would stop the uber Left in their tracks. It's called Voter Identification. The one thing that is kryptonite to the Left.
One yet not one of them can explain in a rational or logical way as to why they are against it.
Any adult with 2 brain cells to rub together knows you cannot function without a legal form of identification.
The real truth is that if you can't manage to obtain an ID, you probably shouldn't be voting anyway.
Don't you ever get tired of repeating the same old BS we've pointed out is BS before MEPD? I've pointed out to you that I thought the same way you do...and then did some research. I was shocked to find out it was around 13% of Americans don't have the ID that the Republicans would like to require. Hurricanes, rural births never recorded, and a few other things were the reasons.
But here's the thing, as I've pointed out to you before; the whole issue is a non-issue Trump and MAGA are trying to make an issue. There is virtually no voter fraud in this country. You know it, I know it, Trump knows it.
What this is about is Trump trying to disenfranchise Americans who he doesn't think will vote for him. For the same reason, Republicans have tried to shut down mail-in voting (which Trump himself uses, another fine example of how things are only a problem if someone that doesn't pander to him does it), limit the number of voting places in areas he knows he would lose, and not allow simple humane niceties like supplying water or seating for people forced to wait hours to vote due to Republican chicanery. Not to mention that the people most affected by this, and forced to spend hours trying to cast a vote, are the people that can least afford it.
Stop falling for this kind of BS. Voter ID is a non-issue because voter fraud is a non-issue. Your dear leader is still trying to gaslight people into believing he didn't get crushed in 2020 despite even the person he hired to investigating it telling him in a very short timeframe there was absolutely no validity to his claims.
The safe path is to not believe Trump about anything; you'll be correct 90% of the time.
Julie it is very important to not only look with your eyes but also put on your listening ears. This will give you insight to what your beliefs are.? Now I have looked and listened both ways. I know who I believe and really don’t care who ever believes opposite than me.!
Or you could stop believing lies and trust your eyes and ears are showing you the truth when you look at factual sources instead of Trump lies. Oh wait, MAGA cult members are incapable of that, as it would prove their dear leader is lying.
Thanks for clarifying the position of your side. Allow me to respond.
1. Both sides "parrot" what they hear, because we aren't witnessing any of this first-hand. It is all filtered by the media. While Fox News is often biased on the Right, I also spend a lot of time watching CNN and MSNow to get the other side. I can assure you that to the best of my knowledge, I am not just repeating what I hear, but am at least trying to think critically about the issues of the day.
2. I agree that the President isn't allowed to break the law, mandate or not. So how do you explain Biden's opening up the Southern border to millions of illegals? I could argue that Biden's illegal acts are what caused Trump's "illegal" acts, but I actually don't think Trump is acting illegally.
3. Leftist rioters all wore masks, perhaps because we were just coming out of Covid. But Leftist rioters are not employees of the state. They are not "doing their job." They are not "enforcing the law." And as I stated earlier, with the Internet, cell phones, facial recognition, and tracking of ICE agents by the Left, it is no longer safe for federal officers to perform their work without fear of personal retribution. That means that their spouse and children are at risk from lunatic Leftists who think ICE is the gestapo. If I were an officer facing that kind of threat, I would be very concerned. Look at how the Left shot Trump, stalked Justice Kavanaugh, and shot Charlie Kirk. So this is not an irrational fear. Go look up what John Fetterman said about this and see if you agree. (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5718470-fetterman-warns-against-doxing-agents/)
As to your main point, that Trump is breaking the law and ignoring the Constitution, I think that is false. If someone comes into the country illegally, they are subject to deportation, regardless of any other laws they may have broken. So I'd like you to cite your evidence that illegal immigrants cannot be deported.
According to the AI, here is the authority for them to deport people: "ICE deports individuals under the authority of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) (8 U.S.C. §1101 et seq.), particularly as amended by the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (IIRIRA). These laws grant DHS, including Immigration and Customs Enforcement (.gov) and CBP (Customs and Border Protection) officers, authority for administrative, expedited, and removal hearings."
Trump did promise that he would prioritize those with criminal backgrounds or those who have broken our other laws while here. But "sanctuary" cities and states are not cooperating with ICE, so it means that ICE must go into the community, at greater risk to themselves, to apprehend bad apples. That means that others who might not have been targeted will also get picked up.
As to your comments about January 6th, much more damage was done to property by the George Floyd riots. (AI: "The protests and riots following George Floyd's murder in May 2020 caused an estimated $1 billion to $2 billion in insured property damage across the U.S.") The Jan. 6 protesters killed no one, and did not come with weapons. Many of them were invited into the capital building and most left without causing any damage. That the Biden administration persecuted every one of them, and held them in jail for months, is a travesty. Had this been a Leftist mob, they would have been released on their own recognizance.
1. No G, those of us pointing out the facts to you are not "parroting" anyone. We're showing you the facts. So, for instance, when I point out that the conservative Cato Institute has stated that 5% of the people ICE has arrested have violent criminal records, that's a fact. Juxtapose that with your insane regurgitation of MAGA lies about Jan 6 in the last few lines of your post. THAT is parroting.
2. Biden made policy decisions, he didn't break the law. If you don't know all the ways Trump is breaking laws and violating the Constitution, you've got serious problems.
3. Once again you parrot lies, like that Charlie Kirk's shooter was from the Left. One could easily argue with his upbringing he was from the Right, but you don't want to admit that because it doesn't fit your narrative Trump's shooter was also not from the Left, as he had Democrats on his target list as well. Again, ICE agents are in far less danger from protestors than protestors are from ICE agents. Two peaceful protestors have been murdered, many have been assaulted and pepper sprayed, and several have been shot. My father was a cop, he was always worried a criminal would try to harm his family to get even for being convicted of a crime. He didn't get to wear a mask to hide his identity. The actions of ICE agents have pushed people to fight back; if they did their jobs properly, like they did when Obama was deporting more people than Trump, there would be no violence. Sending large quantities of unqualified thugs with military level weapons into Minneapolis was nothing more than another of Trump's attempts to get even with people who haven't bent the knee to him, and carried predictably disastrous results.
Cities and states are not required to cooperate with ICE. Immigration is a federal issue, states and cities have no role in it, and cannot be co-opted into it legally. As we've seen in MN, this "operation" was a thinly veiled attempt for Trump to get sensitive voter info from the state so Trump could continue to pursue his insane campaign to try to gaslight the rest of us that he didn't get his butt kicked in the 2020 election (losing to Biden by far more than he won by against Harris or Clinton).
Your "take" on Jan 6 comes straight from the Tucker Carlson archives. A complete whitewashing of the facts. THAT is what we're talking about when we say you're parroting MAGA lies. The last few lines are spectacular nonsense completely debunked by what we all saw on videos.
As guest pointed out, you are completely brainwashed...by a con man so pathetic it's hard to believe anyone could fall for his shtick.
By the way, here's another one of those inconvenient facts you, MEPD and JW love to ignore; after the murder of Megan Goode, 25% of people surveyed (according to Ipsos polling) felt her shooting was warranted. After Alex Pretti's murder only 16% of people thought it was warranted. The biggest movement among people polled was Republicans changing their minds and not supporting ICE's actions.
While I think anyone that thinks either murder was justified, it doesn't surprise me to find our local trolls among the 16% that still think it's okay for an unqualified, untrained thug to have murdered an American citizen peacefully protesting (a right guaranteed by our Constitution).
By the way, if minorities had stormed the Capitol building there's no doubt in my mind they would have been greeted with machine gun fire from a huge force Trump had arranged to be there for that purpose.
You can easily research your claims about the people that brought weapons, hurt police officers, and earned every bit of their prosecution, only to be pardoned by Trump because anyone on his team can do anything. Laws are only for people that oppose him to observe.
The Cato Institute report says 5% had violent convictions, 27% had criminal convictions, and over 50% had criminal convictions or pending charges. And, of course, 100% broke the law by entering the country illegally.
Deporting non-citizens is not violating anything. Non-citizens have no right to be here. Deport them and they can apply for legal immigration and wait their turn like everyone else is supposed to.
Actually G, it's not illegal to overstay your Visa, it's a civil offense, so many of the people being rounded up have not committed a crime even though they're here when they shouldn't be.
It's an important distinction when Trump keeps calling them criminals. It doesn't excuse their presence, but they aren't criminals. Civil versus criminal charges was a distinction you and other MAGA cult members couldn't wait to make for your rapist-in-chief, so pay attention to it now.
Also, as I keep saying, Trump said he would go after the "worst of the worst"; violent criminals, rapists, etc. As you saw, the Cato Institute shows only 5% of the people ICE has picked up fall into that category. Expanding it to other categories is just another lame attempt to distort the truth and the crucial differences between what Trump said he'd do that people voted for and what he's actually doing.
I don't know about guest, but when I told you you have a problem if you don't know all the ways Trump is breaking laws and violating the Constitution, I wasn't talking about just immigration. Can you even speak to the many laws he's broken? The constant Constitutional violations? Do you have any ideas how many court cases he's lost because his actions are deemed by the courts to be unconstitutional?
It's not a red herring. Red herrings are things that are intentionally placed to deceive. People that have been here since before the updated legislation are not subject to those penalties.
You can continue trying to split hairs, but you still won't address the fact that your dear leader is running rampant over the Constitution and Americans' civil rights, is brazenly corrupt, and has broken many laws while almost completely escaping accountability for anything thanks to the Supreme Court slow-walking all his cases until he got elected again. Face facts; your dear leader is a criminal, and as even MTG has said, MAGA is not for America or Americans, it's for corporate donors to Trump and billionaires. I assume you're neither, so your cult membership makes no sense.
The red herring is your argument that the violations of overstaying a visa are not criminal. That is irrelevant since the punishment is not criminal. And, of course, many millions came across the border without visas.
Since deportation is not incarceration, we can deport illegals for any reason or no reason. Adios, amigos!
Your 2/9 post is wrong again G, and a great example of the futility of your specious arguments. In the same breath you admit I'm right that overstaying your Visa is not a criminal act, then try to claim it's irrelevant, though you claimed it was illegal previously. Your claim that the punishment is deportation, so they're not being punished criminally is a joke. Those people are being arrested and thrown in jail while awaiting deportation, just like people who entered illegally. It's idiotic to try to claim they're not being incarcerated.
What's more idiotic is you keep trying to avoid the facts about your dear leader. You keep hoping to distract from the big picture of crime and corruption with hair-splitting about other issues, but it won't work. The people who haven't signed on to the cult can still see your dear leader is a corrupt criminal.
President Trump was elected with a mandate to reverse Biden's open border policies. This included the promise to deport illegal immigrants, "starting with" those that had criminal backgrounds. But deporting anyone that entered illegally is the law and if people get swept up in an enforcement, everyone has got to go, not just the hardened criminals.
This policy is necessary because the Biden administration and virtually if not all the Democrats in Congress approved opening our borders to millions of people who came here illegally. They heard Joe Biden say that illegal immigrants would be welcomed and protected, but that was a promise he should not have made and could not have made had he followed the law.
People who otherwise would never be bothered by ICE are being caught up in this dragnet. It is too bad for them, but it is solely the fault of Biden and his allies.
In fact, it is the sheer scope of the problem that Biden believed would protect his policy from being reversed. And the actions of the Left to disparage, delay, and distract ICE from enforcing the law is also part of the plan. The Left will try anything to try to guarantee the US becomes the Socialist Utopia they all seem to want, even though that will lead to our country's ruin.
So when ICE protesters openly interfere with law enforcement by federal agents, they are hoping to cause enough chaos and disruption to sway public opinion and to pressure the administration into changing course. I hope Tom Homan and Trump are not bullied by their tactics. And so far, it doesn't seem to be working. Well, maybe yet another "No Kings" protest will help their cause, but I doubt it.
For people who just read Leftist media or the Internet trolls, they will think the public mood has changed to allow millions of illegal immigrants to just stay in the US indefinitely and eventually become citizens. There was a misleading article just today claiming that support for "immigrants" has risen 15% since Trump took over. I believe it, because most everyone supports "immigrants." It is the illegal, unvetted, indigent ones we want to remove. Those who follow the rules and wait their turn are welcomed, as they always have been.
By the way, ICE agents wear masks because the Left uses the Internet and their Signal chat rooms to "doxx" federal agents, targeting their families for threats and violence. With smart phones these days, anonymity for our law enforcement personnel is no longer possible.
Vile stuff from a truly sick mind. The TDS is still raging in G, as he seeks not only to excuse Trump's idiotic policies and actions, but blame others for them while repeating MAGA lies like Trump having a "mandate".
As I said in another post, the conservative Cato Institute recently pointed out that only 5% of those arrested by ICE have a criminal record, pointing out the fallacy of not only the execution of Trump's policies, but the flaw in the numbers they claim to justify the policies to begin with.
The sickest, most vile part of this moronic screed, however, is the avoidance of the key issue; peacefully protesting American citizens are being beaten, pepper sprayed, shot, and murdered in cold blood in our streets.
By the way G, our law enforcement has never had anonymity. The Cato Institute states the annual risk of an ICE agent being murdered is not only low, it's lower than the general population. It's also clearly lower than that of peaceful protestors.
This situation is of Trump's making, as usual creating a problem where one didn't exist. It could easily have been handled properly, but Trump wants to be the spectacle and the center of attention at all times.
Same stuff, different day. It sure is easy to be a brainwashed, useful idiot of the Left, that's for sure.
Here's some unvarnished truth: Those deaths could and should have been avoided if it weren't for the Mayor's and Governor's inflammatory rhetoric, tacit support of the lawless demonstrators, and the stand-down orders of their police to help in any way.
They were just itching for a deadly confrontation to be used for more propaganda.
That's right, they needed those 2 deaths to keep everyone fired up. Alex and Renee were just pawns on the gameboard to them.
It was their plan for another "George Floyd" moment to sway the mid-term election. Except, it's 6 years later, and a majority of the population has wised up and knows how the Left operates.
No matter how many of the Valley wingnuts write-in, it's not working this time. We see through the nonsense.
So you can stop playing your word games and crying in your beer. Stop with the "Trump Fascist" rhetoric, or "It's the end of Democracy". What it is is the end of the Left's control of the mass media's messaging and dealing with reality.
Democracy is alive and well; it just isn't going the way you wanted it to.
G Allen, you are repeating the same Fox brainwashing, that you use with every letter that doesn’t praise your dear leader. You should try to engage your brain rather than parroting what you hear on Fox entertainment. The president, of any party, or any elected official doesn’t have a ‘mandate’ to break the law and ignore the constitution. What you seem to miss, because you watch ‘brainwash’ Fox tv, is that people are protesting, as is their right in the constitution, because the law is being broken, the constitution ignored. No one wore masks when Obama was deporting big numbers of immigrants, no protests then. You’re okay with the law being broken, constitution ignored. I’m sure you’re okay with January 6ers doing $30 million in damage to the capitol, trying to kill the vice president, beating, macing, police, causing the death of several, and permanent disability to others. Okay with you. That you can’t see the difference is astounding.
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A creative writer will get his message across in two good paragraphs. While a blow-by- blow writer will go on and on almost writing a book to get their message across.! Most stop reading half way.!
Millie, when one is addressing a situation, or a laundry list of lies like GAllen and MEPD like to provide, it's not creative writing. It's not writing for entertainment, and not for people with the attention of a gerbil. It's point-by-point refutation of the lies they are trying to use to support Trump's gaslighting attempts.
Of course, you could have intended this comment for them, but knowing your past history you wouldn't even notice their lengthy screeds, only the responses, just as you don't see your dear leader's actions, only his projections.
There actually is a silver bullet that would stop the uber Left in their tracks. It's called Voter Identification. The one thing that is kryptonite to the Left.
One yet not one of them can explain in a rational or logical way as to why they are against it.
Any adult with 2 brain cells to rub together knows you cannot function without a legal form of identification.
The real truth is that if you can't manage to obtain an ID, you probably shouldn't be voting anyway.
Don't you ever get tired of repeating the same old BS we've pointed out is BS before MEPD? I've pointed out to you that I thought the same way you do...and then did some research. I was shocked to find out it was around 13% of Americans don't have the ID that the Republicans would like to require. Hurricanes, rural births never recorded, and a few other things were the reasons.
But here's the thing, as I've pointed out to you before; the whole issue is a non-issue Trump and MAGA are trying to make an issue. There is virtually no voter fraud in this country. You know it, I know it, Trump knows it.
What this is about is Trump trying to disenfranchise Americans who he doesn't think will vote for him. For the same reason, Republicans have tried to shut down mail-in voting (which Trump himself uses, another fine example of how things are only a problem if someone that doesn't pander to him does it), limit the number of voting places in areas he knows he would lose, and not allow simple humane niceties like supplying water or seating for people forced to wait hours to vote due to Republican chicanery. Not to mention that the people most affected by this, and forced to spend hours trying to cast a vote, are the people that can least afford it.
Stop falling for this kind of BS. Voter ID is a non-issue because voter fraud is a non-issue. Your dear leader is still trying to gaslight people into believing he didn't get crushed in 2020 despite even the person he hired to investigating it telling him in a very short timeframe there was absolutely no validity to his claims.
The safe path is to not believe Trump about anything; you'll be correct 90% of the time.
Julie it is very important to not only look with your eyes but also put on your listening ears. This will give you insight to what your beliefs are.? Now I have looked and listened both ways. I know who I believe and really don’t care who ever believes opposite than me.!
Or you could stop believing lies and trust your eyes and ears are showing you the truth when you look at factual sources instead of Trump lies. Oh wait, MAGA cult members are incapable of that, as it would prove their dear leader is lying.
Dear Guest,
Thanks for clarifying the position of your side. Allow me to respond.
1. Both sides "parrot" what they hear, because we aren't witnessing any of this first-hand. It is all filtered by the media. While Fox News is often biased on the Right, I also spend a lot of time watching CNN and MSNow to get the other side. I can assure you that to the best of my knowledge, I am not just repeating what I hear, but am at least trying to think critically about the issues of the day.
2. I agree that the President isn't allowed to break the law, mandate or not. So how do you explain Biden's opening up the Southern border to millions of illegals? I could argue that Biden's illegal acts are what caused Trump's "illegal" acts, but I actually don't think Trump is acting illegally.
3. Leftist rioters all wore masks, perhaps because we were just coming out of Covid. But Leftist rioters are not employees of the state. They are not "doing their job." They are not "enforcing the law." And as I stated earlier, with the Internet, cell phones, facial recognition, and tracking of ICE agents by the Left, it is no longer safe for federal officers to perform their work without fear of personal retribution. That means that their spouse and children are at risk from lunatic Leftists who think ICE is the gestapo. If I were an officer facing that kind of threat, I would be very concerned. Look at how the Left shot Trump, stalked Justice Kavanaugh, and shot Charlie Kirk. So this is not an irrational fear. Go look up what John Fetterman said about this and see if you agree. (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5718470-fetterman-warns-against-doxing-agents/)
As to your main point, that Trump is breaking the law and ignoring the Constitution, I think that is false. If someone comes into the country illegally, they are subject to deportation, regardless of any other laws they may have broken. So I'd like you to cite your evidence that illegal immigrants cannot be deported.
According to the AI, here is the authority for them to deport people: "ICE deports individuals under the authority of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) (8 U.S.C. §1101 et seq.), particularly as amended by the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (IIRIRA). These laws grant DHS, including Immigration and Customs Enforcement (.gov) and CBP (Customs and Border Protection) officers, authority for administrative, expedited, and removal hearings."
Trump did promise that he would prioritize those with criminal backgrounds or those who have broken our other laws while here. But "sanctuary" cities and states are not cooperating with ICE, so it means that ICE must go into the community, at greater risk to themselves, to apprehend bad apples. That means that others who might not have been targeted will also get picked up.
As to your comments about January 6th, much more damage was done to property by the George Floyd riots. (AI: "The protests and riots following George Floyd's murder in May 2020 caused an estimated $1 billion to $2 billion in insured property damage across the U.S.") The Jan. 6 protesters killed no one, and did not come with weapons. Many of them were invited into the capital building and most left without causing any damage. That the Biden administration persecuted every one of them, and held them in jail for months, is a travesty. Had this been a Leftist mob, they would have been released on their own recognizance.
1. No G, those of us pointing out the facts to you are not "parroting" anyone. We're showing you the facts. So, for instance, when I point out that the conservative Cato Institute has stated that 5% of the people ICE has arrested have violent criminal records, that's a fact. Juxtapose that with your insane regurgitation of MAGA lies about Jan 6 in the last few lines of your post. THAT is parroting.
2. Biden made policy decisions, he didn't break the law. If you don't know all the ways Trump is breaking laws and violating the Constitution, you've got serious problems.
3. Once again you parrot lies, like that Charlie Kirk's shooter was from the Left. One could easily argue with his upbringing he was from the Right, but you don't want to admit that because it doesn't fit your narrative Trump's shooter was also not from the Left, as he had Democrats on his target list as well. Again, ICE agents are in far less danger from protestors than protestors are from ICE agents. Two peaceful protestors have been murdered, many have been assaulted and pepper sprayed, and several have been shot. My father was a cop, he was always worried a criminal would try to harm his family to get even for being convicted of a crime. He didn't get to wear a mask to hide his identity. The actions of ICE agents have pushed people to fight back; if they did their jobs properly, like they did when Obama was deporting more people than Trump, there would be no violence. Sending large quantities of unqualified thugs with military level weapons into Minneapolis was nothing more than another of Trump's attempts to get even with people who haven't bent the knee to him, and carried predictably disastrous results.
Cities and states are not required to cooperate with ICE. Immigration is a federal issue, states and cities have no role in it, and cannot be co-opted into it legally. As we've seen in MN, this "operation" was a thinly veiled attempt for Trump to get sensitive voter info from the state so Trump could continue to pursue his insane campaign to try to gaslight the rest of us that he didn't get his butt kicked in the 2020 election (losing to Biden by far more than he won by against Harris or Clinton).
Your "take" on Jan 6 comes straight from the Tucker Carlson archives. A complete whitewashing of the facts. THAT is what we're talking about when we say you're parroting MAGA lies. The last few lines are spectacular nonsense completely debunked by what we all saw on videos.
As guest pointed out, you are completely brainwashed...by a con man so pathetic it's hard to believe anyone could fall for his shtick.
By the way, here's another one of those inconvenient facts you, MEPD and JW love to ignore; after the murder of Megan Goode, 25% of people surveyed (according to Ipsos polling) felt her shooting was warranted. After Alex Pretti's murder only 16% of people thought it was warranted. The biggest movement among people polled was Republicans changing their minds and not supporting ICE's actions.
While I think anyone that thinks either murder was justified, it doesn't surprise me to find our local trolls among the 16% that still think it's okay for an unqualified, untrained thug to have murdered an American citizen peacefully protesting (a right guaranteed by our Constitution).
By the way, if minorities had stormed the Capitol building there's no doubt in my mind they would have been greeted with machine gun fire from a huge force Trump had arranged to be there for that purpose.
You can easily research your claims about the people that brought weapons, hurt police officers, and earned every bit of their prosecution, only to be pardoned by Trump because anyone on his team can do anything. Laws are only for people that oppose him to observe.
You need professional help badly.
The Cato Institute report says 5% had violent convictions, 27% had criminal convictions, and over 50% had criminal convictions or pending charges. And, of course, 100% broke the law by entering the country illegally.
Deporting non-citizens is not violating anything. Non-citizens have no right to be here. Deport them and they can apply for legal immigration and wait their turn like everyone else is supposed to.
Actually G, it's not illegal to overstay your Visa, it's a civil offense, so many of the people being rounded up have not committed a crime even though they're here when they shouldn't be.
It's an important distinction when Trump keeps calling them criminals. It doesn't excuse their presence, but they aren't criminals. Civil versus criminal charges was a distinction you and other MAGA cult members couldn't wait to make for your rapist-in-chief, so pay attention to it now.
Also, as I keep saying, Trump said he would go after the "worst of the worst"; violent criminals, rapists, etc. As you saw, the Cato Institute shows only 5% of the people ICE has picked up fall into that category. Expanding it to other categories is just another lame attempt to distort the truth and the crucial differences between what Trump said he'd do that people voted for and what he's actually doing.
I don't know about guest, but when I told you you have a problem if you don't know all the ways Trump is breaking laws and violating the Constitution, I wasn't talking about just immigration. Can you even speak to the many laws he's broken? The constant Constitutional violations? Do you have any ideas how many court cases he's lost because his actions are deemed by the courts to be unconstitutional?
Saying it is civil versus criminal to overstay your visa is incorrect as well as a red herring.
Red herring: deporting someone isn’t a criminal penalty. You are returning them home.
Incorrect: the AI says that there are now criminal penalties for overstaying your visa, enacted in 11/2025.
It's not a red herring. Red herrings are things that are intentionally placed to deceive. People that have been here since before the updated legislation are not subject to those penalties.
You can continue trying to split hairs, but you still won't address the fact that your dear leader is running rampant over the Constitution and Americans' civil rights, is brazenly corrupt, and has broken many laws while almost completely escaping accountability for anything thanks to the Supreme Court slow-walking all his cases until he got elected again. Face facts; your dear leader is a criminal, and as even MTG has said, MAGA is not for America or Americans, it's for corporate donors to Trump and billionaires. I assume you're neither, so your cult membership makes no sense.
The red herring is your argument that the violations of overstaying a visa are not criminal. That is irrelevant since the punishment is not criminal. And, of course, many millions came across the border without visas.
Since deportation is not incarceration, we can deport illegals for any reason or no reason. Adios, amigos!
Your 2/9 post is wrong again G, and a great example of the futility of your specious arguments. In the same breath you admit I'm right that overstaying your Visa is not a criminal act, then try to claim it's irrelevant, though you claimed it was illegal previously. Your claim that the punishment is deportation, so they're not being punished criminally is a joke. Those people are being arrested and thrown in jail while awaiting deportation, just like people who entered illegally. It's idiotic to try to claim they're not being incarcerated.
What's more idiotic is you keep trying to avoid the facts about your dear leader. You keep hoping to distract from the big picture of crime and corruption with hair-splitting about other issues, but it won't work. The people who haven't signed on to the cult can still see your dear leader is a corrupt criminal.
President Trump was elected with a mandate to reverse Biden's open border policies. This included the promise to deport illegal immigrants, "starting with" those that had criminal backgrounds. But deporting anyone that entered illegally is the law and if people get swept up in an enforcement, everyone has got to go, not just the hardened criminals.
This policy is necessary because the Biden administration and virtually if not all the Democrats in Congress approved opening our borders to millions of people who came here illegally. They heard Joe Biden say that illegal immigrants would be welcomed and protected, but that was a promise he should not have made and could not have made had he followed the law.
People who otherwise would never be bothered by ICE are being caught up in this dragnet. It is too bad for them, but it is solely the fault of Biden and his allies.
In fact, it is the sheer scope of the problem that Biden believed would protect his policy from being reversed. And the actions of the Left to disparage, delay, and distract ICE from enforcing the law is also part of the plan. The Left will try anything to try to guarantee the US becomes the Socialist Utopia they all seem to want, even though that will lead to our country's ruin.
So when ICE protesters openly interfere with law enforcement by federal agents, they are hoping to cause enough chaos and disruption to sway public opinion and to pressure the administration into changing course. I hope Tom Homan and Trump are not bullied by their tactics. And so far, it doesn't seem to be working. Well, maybe yet another "No Kings" protest will help their cause, but I doubt it.
For people who just read Leftist media or the Internet trolls, they will think the public mood has changed to allow millions of illegal immigrants to just stay in the US indefinitely and eventually become citizens. There was a misleading article just today claiming that support for "immigrants" has risen 15% since Trump took over. I believe it, because most everyone supports "immigrants." It is the illegal, unvetted, indigent ones we want to remove. Those who follow the rules and wait their turn are welcomed, as they always have been.
By the way, ICE agents wear masks because the Left uses the Internet and their Signal chat rooms to "doxx" federal agents, targeting their families for threats and violence. With smart phones these days, anonymity for our law enforcement personnel is no longer possible.
Vile stuff from a truly sick mind. The TDS is still raging in G, as he seeks not only to excuse Trump's idiotic policies and actions, but blame others for them while repeating MAGA lies like Trump having a "mandate".
As I said in another post, the conservative Cato Institute recently pointed out that only 5% of those arrested by ICE have a criminal record, pointing out the fallacy of not only the execution of Trump's policies, but the flaw in the numbers they claim to justify the policies to begin with.
The sickest, most vile part of this moronic screed, however, is the avoidance of the key issue; peacefully protesting American citizens are being beaten, pepper sprayed, shot, and murdered in cold blood in our streets.
By the way G, our law enforcement has never had anonymity. The Cato Institute states the annual risk of an ICE agent being murdered is not only low, it's lower than the general population. It's also clearly lower than that of peaceful protestors.
This situation is of Trump's making, as usual creating a problem where one didn't exist. It could easily have been handled properly, but Trump wants to be the spectacle and the center of attention at all times.
Same stuff, different day. It sure is easy to be a brainwashed, useful idiot of the Left, that's for sure.
Here's some unvarnished truth: Those deaths could and should have been avoided if it weren't for the Mayor's and Governor's inflammatory rhetoric, tacit support of the lawless demonstrators, and the stand-down orders of their police to help in any way.
They were just itching for a deadly confrontation to be used for more propaganda.
That's right, they needed those 2 deaths to keep everyone fired up. Alex and Renee were just pawns on the gameboard to them.
It was their plan for another "George Floyd" moment to sway the mid-term election. Except, it's 6 years later, and a majority of the population has wised up and knows how the Left operates.
No matter how many of the Valley wingnuts write-in, it's not working this time. We see through the nonsense.
So you can stop playing your word games and crying in your beer. Stop with the "Trump Fascist" rhetoric, or "It's the end of Democracy". What it is is the end of the Left's control of the mass media's messaging and dealing with reality.
Democracy is alive and well; it just isn't going the way you wanted it to.
G Allen, you are repeating the same Fox brainwashing, that you use with every letter that doesn’t praise your dear leader. You should try to engage your brain rather than parroting what you hear on Fox entertainment. The president, of any party, or any elected official doesn’t have a ‘mandate’ to break the law and ignore the constitution. What you seem to miss, because you watch ‘brainwash’ Fox tv, is that people are protesting, as is their right in the constitution, because the law is being broken, the constitution ignored. No one wore masks when Obama was deporting big numbers of immigrants, no protests then. You’re okay with the law being broken, constitution ignored. I’m sure you’re okay with January 6ers doing $30 million in damage to the capitol, trying to kill the vice president, beating, macing, police, causing the death of several, and permanent disability to others. Okay with you. That you can’t see the difference is astounding.
Thanks, Julie, for sparing me the time and energy to respond to this Trump sycophant. You're exactly on point.
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