Emoluments and President Donald J. Trump: Why We Should Care

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mikerins

Oh my God G, you live in a complete fantasy world. Why do you think Trump is hawking sneakers, Bibles, and crypto? Because his greed is never-ending. Please refer back to my previous detailed comment about his financial dealings and the influence people are buying with them in this thread. The amount of delusion necessary to think of Trump as not being able to be bought is staggering, every day he proves the opposite is true. Although, to be fair, he can be bought almost as easily with fawning. Wake up!

MEPD Ret

"Emoluments" refers narrowly to direct gifts or compensation for official duties, not routine business transactions. Payments from foreign governments or U.S. entities were for services (e.g., hotel stays) at market rates, not tied to Trump’s presidential role. No explicit evidence proves quid pro quo.

Trump’s businesses predate his presidency. Globalized commerce makes such transactions inevitable. Modern business dealings don’t inherently violate the clauses absent clear corrupt intent.

No court has ruled on the merits of violation claims. Three major lawsuits (CREW v. Trump, Blumenthal v. Trump, Maryland/D.C. v. Trump) were dismissed for standing or mootness by 2021, with the Supreme Court vacating lower rulings.

Hosting G20 events at Trump properties are private transactions unrelated to official duties.

As with all things involving Trump, this has become yet another politicized issue.

The same could be said for the rampant insider trading practices that continue with our Congress members (Nancy Pelosi’s millions).

mikerins

MEPD, the actual verbiage of the clause is right in the letter, you can't just make up your own interpretation. It's quite clear that foreign nations paying Trump for hotel rooms, conference rooms, golf fees, etc. is a violation every single time they do it. There does not have to be proof of quid pro quo, there is no such requirement in the clause, the payments are forbidden, period, full stop. Stop trying to twist things into pretzels to excuse the corruption of your dear leader.

Despite the fact that it's not required as proof of a violation of the clause, you'd have to be a complete idiot not to see that Trump is completely swayed by people who pay him money, give him money, invest in his companies, or fawn over him. The pattern is crystal clear, wake up and smell the coffee.

All other presidents divested themselves of their businesses prior to taking office, but Trump has not because his corruption is so thoroughly embedded due to his malignant narcissism. He doesn't care what the rules are, they've never applied to him. He's gotten away with virtually everything, and even that's not enough, he's out to get anyone that's ever actually tried to hold him accountable.

When courts dismiss cases for standing, they're not ruling on the merits of the case, they're simply saying the group or individual that brought the suit doesn't have the standing to proceed with the suit.

Hosting G20 events at Trump properties is a prime example of a violation of the clause. Only an idiot would think other countries aren't trying to buy influence with a leader by staying at his expensive properties. Another example is Trump Tower, whose biggest renter is the Chinese government. That's why presidents divest themselves of their businesses. No one with a working brain cell believes his idiot sons are running the businesses, and even if they were it wouldn't matter as long as Trump still owns it.

No one is politicizing anything, the clause explicitly forbids these types of arrangements for the very reason I just mentioned.

I suppose you don't think the investors in his crypto business or his failure of a social media platform are buying influence either. Not only is it disgusting to watch him peddle influence so obviously, but watching him do infomercials hawking everything from Bible he's never read to hideous sneakers to watches just shows his narcissism and greed have no bounds. Other than escaping all the well-earned charges he was facing, enriching himself was the most important motivation for Trump to run for office again.

Yes, insider trading in Congress is horrible, but isn't it funny that you mention Nancy Pelosi, who doesn't trade stocks (though her husband does, which I feel they have to find an answer for that's legal and doesn't violate a spouses rights) instead of MTG, who clearly DID commit insider trading as tariffs were announced, and will, I believe, be charged with it (which I'm sure Trump will then pardon her for). Hmmm, wonder why that is? Could it be that your insane right-wing sources haven't mentioned that?

MikeCorthell

The claim that “emoluments” only covers direct gifts or pay for official duties is incorrect. The term also includes any profit or benefit from foreign governments without congressional consent. Payments from foreign governments to Trump’s hotels and properties during his presidency were documented and raised clear conflict concerns. It is true that no court ruled on the substance of these cases because they were dismissed on procedural grounds such as standing or mootness. But the absence of a final judgment does not mean the conduct was legal. The Constitution’s Emoluments Clauses exist to prevent divided loyalty and self-enrichment while in office, not just to punish explicit quid pro quo deals. The issue remains ethical and constitutional, not merely political.

MEPD Ret

Perhaps, but I do find it curious that folks like you and Mike did not approach the Biden Family Influence peddling scheme(s) with the same zealousness. One could certainly speculate and draw some pretty obvious conclusions based on what has become public knowledge and Hunter's laptop. But hey, what's multimillions between Democrats?

mikerins

There you go again MEPD, trying to pivot from Trump's guilt to debunked claims about others. There was ZERO proof Joe Biden did anything wrong. Thousands of e-mails pored over by Jim Jordan and his band of idiots wasting millions of dollars of taxpayer money trying to curry favor with their dear leader only to find ZERO proof of anything untoward and ZERO charges being brought forward due to ZERO violations found. Are you getting the pattern here MEPD?

Juxtapose that against the facts pointed out about Trump's daily violations of the Emoluments Clause and it's obvious that your TDS pushes you to try to excuse gross violations by Trump and parrot his debunked lies about others instead of dealing with the guilt of your dear leader.

G_Allen

For all Trump's faults, accusing him of being influenced by relatively minor financial transactions with his long-standing businesses is absurd. He puts his name on every one of his business ventures and he has several, but I believe his sons are running things while he is president, which would be similar to the "blind trust" theory that governs politicians of relatively modest means.

People elected Trump knowing he was wealthy. In his first run, he mostly self-funded his campaign. Many people supported Trump because they knew his net worth would effectively insulate him from the petty corruption that afflicts so many politicians.

I'm sure people who like Trump are more likely to stay at one of his hotels, and people who don't like him are less likely. Politics has probably not been a net positive for his bank account. Let's not forget he was also shot performing this public duty. He was also targeted by the Left for prosecution for years. He clearly isn't doing politics to make money, otherwise he would never have gotten involved. In short, Trump cannot "be bought."

Now turn your focus to the Congress, whose members become multi-millionaires because of their "public service." How about the Clinton Foundation which raised hundreds of millions to maintain the Clinton's extravagant lifestyle. How about the Pelosis who are worth hundreds of millions?

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